Not hard, just random.

[Maze1125]

Beating the final boss 3 times with no repair resources isn't a matter of skill, it's blind luck.

Lol wut?
That's how I fight the boss pretty much every time, and I win more times than not when I do.

Again, how can you be sure that you know the game well enough to know every trick and every strategy? That you know what the "right" move actually is? I certainly sounds to me like you haven't yet, and don't yet.

Yeah..

Reread the first post. My point wasn't that the game is hard (it's not), it's that I dislike some of the basic ideas. The reference to game theory is pretty clearly totally beyond you, so drop out of the thread, you don't have anything to add.

Lol, yeah, a guy who took a single maths course at university telling me that game-theory is beyond me, based upon a single two line interaction on an internet forum, that's just too much. You crack me up.

[Gorlom]

Nethack is a relatively popular rogue-like which has a crazy number of variables and seems impossible to be good at, but the game has been completed 29 times in a row at one point, something that even the greatest player could not accomplish in this game.

/groan
Someone doesn't understand statistics/probability.

If you make a random number generator and declare some sort of victory conditions even if it is "/roll 10 000 ,if result = 1 you win, if result = 2 or more you lose" It is quite possible to win 29 times in a row. It is not likely. In fact it is VERY unlikely. But it is possible.


This does not invalidate your concern in any way. But I felt the misconception in your argument needed to be addressed.

[thejuiceweasel]

Basically, rogue-like isn't even the most precise term. Just call it life-like. Can you call life fair? It depends. You can make all the right decisions, be a humble, docile, diligent and benevolent person, and die with 35 of a stroke. It's random. It adds this level of uncertainty that makes things not boring. You can't be sure if you're doing well enough to survive, so just relax and enjoy yourself, because it's never always your own fault. Sometimes, you just have to be lucky.