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madattak9 wrote: there is a large luck element, but you just sound like a terrible player.

That is an understatement...

Tarlok wrote:and hence forth whenever I see rogue in the description of any game I will avoid it like the plague.

That's rather unfair.
You've only played two games like that and neither of them are true Rogue-likes. At least try Dungeons of Dredmor (a true Rogue-like but designed to be more casual than the standard) before discarding an entire genre based on two games that don't even really fit into it.